Monday, June 27, 2005
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| AL | W | L | PCT | HOME | ROAD |
| Tampa Bay | 26 | 50 | .342 | 18-21 | 8-29 |
| Seattle | 33 | 41 | .446 | 19-20 | 14-21 |
| NL | W | L | PCT | HOME | ROAD |
| Washington | 44 | 31 | .587 | 26-10 | 18-21 |
| Atlanta | 41 | 34 | .547 | 24-12 | 17-22 |
| Philadelphia | 39 | 37 | .513 | 23-16 | 16-21 |
| NY Mets | 37 | 38 | .493 | 22-15 | 15-23 |
| San Francisco | 30 | 44 | .405 | 17-22 | 13-22 |
| DATE | TEAM | RESULT | A's | OPP |
| Wed. 1 | Tampa Bay | W 11-2 | 20-32 | 19-35 |
| Thu. 2 | Toronto | W 5-3 | 21-32 | 28-26 |
| Fri. 3 | Toronto | L 6-2 | 21-33 | 29-26 |
| Sat. 4 | Toronto | W 5-2 | 22-33 | 29-27 |
| Sun. 5 | Toronto | W 12-4 | 23-33 | 29-28 |
| Tue. 7 | at Washington | L 2-1 | 23-34 | 32-26 |
| Wed. 8 | at Washington | L 7-2 | 23-35 | 33-26 |
| Thu. 9 | at Washington | L 4-3 | 23-36 | 34-26 |
| Fri. 10 | at Atlanta | W 6-4 | 24-36 | 31-29 |
| Sat. 11 | at Atlanta | L 5-3 | 24-37 | 32-29 |
| Sun. 12 | at Atlanta | W 11-5 | 25-37 | 32-30 |
| Tue. 14 | NY Mets | W 5-0 | 26-37 | 32-32 |
| Wed. 15 | NY Mets | W 3-2 | 27-37 | 32-33 |
| Thu. 16 | NY Mets | L 9-6 | 27-38 | 33-33 |
| Fri. 17 | Philadelphia | L 6-1 | 27-39 | 38-30 |
| Sat. 18 | Philadelphia | W 2-1 | 28-39 | 38-31 |
| Sun. 19 | Philadelphia | W 5-2 | 29-39 | 38-32 |
| Mon. 20 | at Seattle | W 6-2 | 30-39 | 31-37 |
| Tue. 21 | at Seattle | W 4-2 | 31-39 | 31-38 |
| Wed. 22 | at Seattle | L 5-4 | 31-40 | 32-38 |
| Thu. 23 | at Seattle | W 5-0 | 32-40 | 32-39 |
| Fri. 24 | San Francisco | W 4-3 | 33-40 | 30-42 |
| Sat. 25 | San Francisco | W 6-3 | 34-40 | 30-43 |
| Sun. 26 | San Francisco | W 16-0 | 35-40 | 30-44 |
Thanks for the science.
Here are my three biggest qustions;
- When are the A's going to trade Keith Ginter
- When are the A's going to bring up Andre Ethier
- Can the A's unload Scott Hatteberg
Just wanted to say thanks for the unabashed commentary. EiO is always one of my first stops on the illicit internet surfing at work that I shouldn't be doing.
No questions, just want to say keep it up, Zachary. Have a good one.
While I don't always agree with you I nearly always learn something. I really appreciate this blog. Thanks!
Then it becomes a matter of watching 'good' baseball versus 'bad' baseball.
The A's are still playing more bad baseball than good baseball, but they are winning some games here and there.
i love the blog but i hate the font, i wish it was something more readable like tahoma or trebuchet. PS your macha meter has a red X next to the number
Dig the blog. Great info!
Could you change the color of the font of the read-links to a darker shade of yellow? I get the green and gold design, but it just comes off as white.
Keep posting!
"When are the A's going to trade Keith Ginter?"
When some GM decides that a mediocre-gloved middle infielder sporting a .171/.262/.295 line is worth the $1.2M Ginter is going to make over the next year and a half.
"When are the A's going to bring up Andre Ethier?"
Probably not this year, and certainly not before he spends some time in Sacramento. He has an outside shot of making the A's bench in 2006, although I'd say either a midseason callup or not making the team until the rosters expand in September is more likely.
"Can the A's unload Scott Hatteberg?"
Yeah. They don't want to though. They like his approach at the plate, he's not THAT expensive at $2.5M, and unless Daric Barton accelerates the hell out of his progression, there's not really a ton of major-league ready hitters in the A's organization.
Have you and Blez ever worked together or talked about working together in any capasity with your blogs?
Because some teams have a monopoly on non-hitting infielders like Neifi Perez and Deivi Cruz.
Aaron Boone isn't hitting, either and he has a job. Those also who have jobs; Joe Crede, David Bell, Corey Koskie, Geoff Blum, Dave Hansen, Luis Rivas, Kaz Matsui, Damon Easley, Orlando Hudson, Robinson Cano...all pretty paltry on the statistic front.
I think the reference was moving Ethier to Sacramento, and that will be soon. Sacramento has to move an Outfielder first.
Keith Ginter is expensive at less than $1 million for the next year and a half, but Scott Hatteberg is not at $1.25 Million over the rest of the 2005 season?
The A's have a number of major league ready hitters in their minor league system. Matt Watson, Jack Cust, Mike Rouse, Shawn Garrett, Brant Colamarino, Charles Thomas, Jason Perry, Brian Stavisky, Jeremy Brown, Omar Quintanilla, Andre Ethier, Vasili Spanos, Daric Barton, Danny Putnam, Dustin Majewski...
Any problems with the blog might have something to do with your browser.
MS Internet Explorer is right out.
Use Firefox or Netscape.
Why would someone who hasn't updated their blog in two months try to answer questions on another blog?
If Blez is the guy who runs Athletics Nation, I hope that there is no future plans to work together.
PLEASE Zach, tell us you aren't going to appear over there!
Please, don't force me to censor the comments area.
Keep it above the fray and no trashing of other sites.
I don't want to moderate the public area. It's hard enough having to choke on Ray Ratto and Mark Kreidler.
I don't like the comments section either. But when there are a few sitting there people end up going there in curiosity.
I guess that would result in extra 'hits' on some sites. So would multi-page views would increase ad revenue.
Zach made some good points about running a website beyond just the baseball aspect.
It is all about content.
I think it's funny.
I'd love to see a knock out drag out on A's trivia.
But, then again, I think professional wrestling is a sport.
Zach, just keep writing. We need the TRUTH, not what the other websites or media keep shoving down our throats.
there's enough room for everybody in this dumptruck of discovery they call the ole' innernet.
dig both sites, thanks for all the great work you do.
there's enough room for everybody in this dumptruck of discovery they call the ole' innernet.
dig both sites, thanks for all the great work you do.
"the way some define patriotism in the United States."
Snarky, I like it...
Anyways, I like the quality of the analysis on this blog. In the span of a few short weeks this blog has become one of my "check every day" blogs.
And for all those who slam AN I'd like to remind you that AN is not just a blog. It's a fan community that also happens to be an A's blog.
It's a great plae to read exclusive Billy Beane interviews and to get in touch with my fellow fan, but I come here for the better analysis.
awesome blog zach...i try to read it everyday. its insightful, informative and-at times-even humorous (although the humor is probably a byproduct of that 60 hr work wk).
don't change a thing, good work.
the new font is awesome!! much easier to read, bit dissapointed there wasnt a write up about our 16-0 swatting of the Gnats!! One of the best baseball moments in my life as an A's fan!
Fun Fact: The 2005 Athletics are
1-11 in one-run games on the road.
Yah, 1-11.
Close games on the road- exactly the types of games where proper use of the bullpen and bench by a manager who isn't brain-dead has a real impact on the outcome.
"when they start sweeping series and dominating lesser teams"
isn't that what they just did? yet you aren't officially impressed?
Thanks for the effort Zach. I prefer this to the damned chron sporting green now. I learned a lot about bb.
Hey... a quick Q. How can you tell if a pitcher has good stuff. Everyone raves about Harden; I cant tell the difference. I could tell dotel had some up/down/sideways movement on his fastball but it seems like he sucks????
a million Qs.......
thanks again
dc-- you're much better than any advertising driven site/... newspapers included!!!
I wish Billy Beane agreed with us.
Billy Beane said Macha's performance as manager last year was "masterful."
That was the word he used.
If Howe/Macha were/are just Billy Beane puppets...then Billy Beane isn't a very good manager.
"Keith Ginter is expensive at less than $1 million for the next year and a half, but Scott Hatteberg is not at $1.25 Million over the rest of the 2005 season?"
$316K is expensive for a guy with a .262 OBP. $2.5M is not expensive for a guy with a .357 OBP (4th among A's hitters).
"The A's have a number of major league ready hitters in their minor league system. Matt Watson, Jack Cust, Mike Rouse, Shawn Garrett, Brant Colamarino, Charles Thomas, Jason Perry, Brian Stavisky, Jeremy Brown, Omar Quintanilla, Andre Ethier, Vasili Spanos, Daric Barton, Danny Putnam, Dustin Majewski... "
You've got 9 guys at Double-A or lower, two guys who failed to hit the Mendoza line in their major-league stints this year, two guys without a single major league AB, and Jack Cust.
How many of those guys do you think, in 2006, will be a better hitter than Scott Hatteberg?
Zack - do you be drinking that beer in the parking lot or getting drunk at the game? My boys man we be getting crunk in the parking lot boyeeee!!
It's not that Scott Hatteberg is worthless.
It's that Scott Hatteberg plays a power position (1B) and hits in the cleanup spot (of course this is Macha's fault, not Hatteberg's), yet has no power. Sure, it's great that he can clog up the bases...but wouldn't you rather see white shoes touching home plate?
Dan Johnson would have already acclimated himself to big-league pitching and would be putting up power numbers that would dwarf Hatteberg's...if the organization could have just gotten over their weird Hatteberg man-crush.
Anon -
I'm a recovering alcoholic.
Haven't had a drink since July 3, 1991.
Sure, I just graduated high school by then, but I drank my way through my junior and senior years...except during football season.
Then I was REALLY drunk.
"$316K is expensive for a guy with a .262 OBP. $2.5M is not expensive for a guy with a .357 OBP (4th among A's hitters)."
That's about the league minimum and the small sample size doesn't help your case. Is Ginter as bad as his 2005 stats? No, lack of playing time and a terrible job by the A's coaching staff are to blame. Hatteberg can be top amongst A's hitters with his OBP and it still wouldn't matter - it's not enough. Ginter was signed to be a bit player, Hatteberg was signed to produce and he hasn't produced numbers in line with his price tag - and never will.
"You've got 9 guys at Double-A or lower, two guys who failed to hit the Mendoza line in their major-league stints this year, two guys without a single major league AB, and Jack Cust."
Mendoza line? You're dragging in batting average? And again, SMALL SAMPLE size. Charles Thomas and Matt Watson were both victims of circumstances beyond their control. Even Dan Johnson struggled for two weeks WITH regular playing time before he got going. Maybe you don't know much about the A's organization, but the best players, even the most advanced hitters, aren't always in AAA.
"How many of those guys do you think, in 2006, will be a better hitter than Scott Hatteberg?"
Most of them. Because they will still be in the A's system and Hatteberg will either be a pinch hitter in the NL or looking for a coaching job.
All of those players have more power, agility and speed than Hatteberg. Give them two weeks in the big leagues and regular playing time and they woul dall produce more than Hatteberg.
Daric Barton is a better 1st baseman after two months than hatteberg after 2 1/2 seasons. And if you asked them to, they'd all be willing to take a walk here and there and take a first strike.
Try the opposite, could Hatteberg put up similar numbers in the minor leagues as some of these players? It's harder to drop down than you realize.
"That's about the league minimum and the small sample size doesn't help your case."
It is the league minimum, and the fact that he's played himself out of the lineup does help my case that Ginter is nearly untradeable. Ginter's hitting has been below replacement-level. Some team might take a flyer on Ginter were he still around league minimum. For a mil-plus, who wants him?
"Mendoza line? You're dragging in batting average?"
Because there isn't a cutesy nickname for terrible OBP or OPS yet. If there was, it's pretty likely that Thomas' and Watson's outings would fail to make that line.
"Charles Thomas and Matt Watson were both victims of circumstances beyond their control."
Poor hitting is out of their control? How many horrible plate appearances did Thomas need? After 30 PA, a little over half of what Thomas had, Dan Johnson had a .367 OBP. Sending Thomas to AAA was clearly needed. Watson I'll give you, although it seems to me that the A's organization doesn't have a whole lot of faith in him. Fair or not, it's up to the hitter to overcome that.
"Maybe you don't know much about the A's organization, but the best players, even the most advanced hitters, aren't always in AAA."
When's the last time the A's brought a player to the big club from somewhere other than Sacramento? I think one of Ramon Castro's pinch-runner stints last year might have brought him from Midland, but I don't think anyone would describe him as one of the A's most advanced hitters.
Now if you want to say River Cat X will never get a cup of coffee in the Coliseum while Rock Hound Y or Port Z is a bonafide prospect that's another story, but it's pretty rare that the road to Oakland doesn't run through Sacramento.
"Most of them. Because they will still be in the A's system and Hatteberg will either be a pinch hitter in the NL or looking for a coaching job.
All of those players have more power, agility and speed than Hatteberg."
You rag on me for referencing batting average and you're gonna talk about tools?
"Give them two weeks in the big leagues and regular playing time and they would all produce more than Hatteberg."
So what's your theory here? That the A's organization (and all the other organizations not peppering Billy Beane with trade proposals) has absolutely no clue that there's this gold mine of major-league ready hitters just sitting around in Sacramento, Midland and Stockton?
Enjoy your site. Much more informative this year than last. Agree that a true fan has a desire for info about the total team. I favor the minor leaguers that are being developed so have to research more to get the info I desire. Seems the blogs I liked last year have dropped in standings this year and you have moved up the charts into their slot. So your information and efforts are appreciated, particularly on a daily basis. Just to let you know
That's ridiculous, absolutely asinine. Ginter was never in the line-up to play himself out of it...
$700,000 is not much to ask for a back up infielder and right-handed hitter off the bench who can club some HR and get on base.
Jairo Garcia, last year.
You aren't arguing with stats and the A's value tools more than you know. What is your definition of tools?
There's a 25-man roster a 40 man, but the list of players that are 'major league ready' expands to about 50-60 players.
Hmmm...not that you should not post on other blogs comments sections BUT don't you have your own blog that has not been updated since April. A little peculiar.
"That's ridiculous, absolutely asinine. Ginter was never in the line-up to play himself out of it..."
A running tally of the PA of the three middle infielders from the start of the season until the end of May:
Ginter:
4/10: 18
4/17: 27
4/24: 30
4/30: 38
5/07: 48
5/14: 63
5/21: 84
5/28: 93
Ellis:
4/10: 11
4/17: 28
4/24: 47
4/30: 57
5/07: 73
5/14: 83
5/21: 97
5/28: 115
Scutaro:
4/10: 19
4/17: 34
4/24: 61
4/30: 81
5/07: 100
5/14: 122
5/21: 138
5/28: 160
Ginter had only 2 less plate appearances from May 1 to May 28 than Ellis did. The differences was that by the end of May, Ellis had a .701 OPS while Ginter's was .571.
Your assertion to the contrary is incorrect. Ginter did play himself out of the lineup.
"$700,000 is not much to ask for a back up infielder and right-handed hitter off the bench who can club some HR and get on base."
Agreed. But Ginter's been getting on-base at a .262 clip this year, so that doesn't describe him very well.
"Jairo Garcia, last year."
Was called up from Sacramento. He spent almost no time there, but he went there before Oakland. And one might infer a causal relationship between his lack of time at AAA and the difficulty he had in his brief stint in Oakland.
"You aren't arguing with stats and the A's value tools more than you know."
The only statistical argument you've made is that my arguments are all invalid due to small sample size. Generally in support of players whose sample size is small because they hit so poorly that they can't stay on the 25-man roster, let alone in the starting lineup.
You've called a player whose OBP has trended downward throughout his career to the point that he's got a .262 OBP this year as someone "who can get on base".
Anon: The Blogger site hasn't been updated since April.
That's because the blog moved to another site in April.
Which is noted in the very first sentence on the Blogger site.
Which you apparently didn't read.
Did you have anything else to add? (And since this is Zach's comment section, please direct any comments about my blog to me via email or my own comment section. I doubt he wants such on his site)
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